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Wednesday, 3 November 2010

Police: 'the English Defence League is not the problem'

[The Socialist Workers Party article follows the comment, below the dotted line.]

No! The police aren’t attempting to 'stop protests against the EDL’. They are trying to stop trouble and violence. And in order to do that, it is advisable not to have two mutually antagonistic groups demonstrating at the same time. The SWP/UAF, being Trotskyists and thus prone to studenty conspiracy theories (usually about Jews/Zionists, but also about the police), try to make out that the police supports the EDL! Can you believe that? Didn't they go to Dudley a few months ago when EDL women were fed to rioting Muslims by West Mids Police?

The SWP/UAF has to believe it, or pretend to believe it, because reality must fit Trotskyist theory. And Trotskyist theory says that the police are a brutal arm of the state. And the state, in times of crisis, support fascist groups. And the EDL is such a fascist group. Pathetic! These people should be given medicine for paranoid psychosis. However, I don’t think that they actually believe such a pile of shit. Such theories work in that they radicalise first-year students and other infantile groups.

Oh yes, Socialist Worker writes: ‘Preston independent socialist councillor Michael Lavalette told Socialist Worker about a police briefing of Preston council.’


Preston independent and member of Socialist Worker councillor Michael Lavalette…

The police said it had read the EDL’s website. They noted that it didn’t propagate racism and fascism. So true. But the SWP knows better. They are classic conspiracy theorists. Thus the EDL is really an extreme racist and fascist part pretending not to be racist and fascist. This effectively means:

The EDL should be banned because the SWP believes that what the groups says about itself is not actually true. Of an evening, EDL members get together and salute portraits of Adolph Hitler.

In other words, the police ‘take the EDL at face value’. The SWP, as per usual, does not. It takes the EDL through a Marxist theoretical prism which miraculously turns the EDL into a fascist and racist party – which is also supported by the police!

The police, apparently, said that ‘UAF is a front for the SWP’. I wonder where they got that strange idea from. Is the UAF actually daring to say to us that it is not a front for the SWP? The mind can't take in all these ‘lies for Justice’.

- by Viv Smith

A meeting with Preston councillors last week shows the extraordinary measures that police are prepared to use to block protests against the racist English Defence League (EDL).

Preston independent socialist councillor Michael Lavalette told Socialist Worker about a police briefing of Preston council.

The police asked to meet councillors about an EDL march planned for Saturday 27 November.

“I was shocked at what they came out with in that meeting,” Michael said. “They said that the EDL’s website states that it is a non-racist, peaceful organisation and that they would have to take that at face value.

“They said that the EDL has a right to protest and the police have to stay neutral. But then they launched a disgraceful attack against Unite Against Fascism (UAF).

“They told us that it is counter protests organised by UAF that cause trouble.

“They said that UAF is a front for the extremist Socialist Workers Party. The tenor was clear—UAF is as much of a problem, if not more so, than the EDL.

“I was furious and pointed out that UAF includes several national trade unions, MPs and labour movement activists.

“I had decided a few weeks ago to organise a counter protest when they come to Preston.”


UAF and the Preston Trades Council agreed to jointly call it and issued a unity statement which Michael took to Preston Council on the Thursday before the meeting with the police.

“All 25 Labour Party councillors signed the statement,” Michael said. “Two independents signed up and one Lib Dem councillor. Most trade unions have signed up as well.”

In the meeting with the police Michael said most EDL protests end in violence. “I pointed out that every protest has involved attacks on the police. In Stoke they ran riot and attacked cars and shops.

“I think the police wanted to use the meeting with councillors to clamp down on any counter protest and to abuse UAF.

“The EDL is being allowed to assemble outside the main church on the high street which is a five minute walk from Preston’s main mosque.

“If EDL supporters are allowed to march the 300 metres through the town to the Flag Market, they will be within minutes of Preston’s Muslim community.”

The council is planning a special meeting on 8 November to decide whether to ask for the EDL march to be banned. Michael is opposed to this approach.

“Banning the EDL march doesn’t ban it having a static protest, so it is no victory for our side,” he said.

“In Stoke and Bolton where the Muslim community and local people did largely stay away, there was more violence because the EDL was given free rein and was not opposed.

“A counter protest is our best defence because we can stand together in larger numbers and protect our Muslim communities.

“The best way to keep safe is to come out in large numbers—black, white and Muslim together—at mosques and in the town centre.”

“The Flag Market is right in the heart of Preston—it is a symbolically important place. So I think it is vital that the community unites to defend it and stand together to stop the EDL.”

Drew Gale, a Labour councillor who represents the same Town Centre ward as Michael, told the local press he would join the UAF counter-protest and said, “I’ll be standing shoulder to shoulder with UAF in opposition.”

1 comment:

  1. the retarded control-freaks (cos their own lives are a mess) have never heard of "live and let live"!

    I blame the parents! :))