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Saturday, 1 February 2014

The Neo-Cons Were Wrong About the Muslim World

Islam is nearly always in conflict with democracy: both historically and today. There is one single contemporary phenomenon which exemplifies this perfectly. Bizarrely, it's occurring in the West, not in the Muslim world.

In the UK, Muslims - from the BBC's Mo Ansar, Tell MAMA, the MCB and the Muslim Parliament - have carried out systematic and sometimes effective campaigns to bring about what amounts to sharia blasphemy law in the country. (Indeed a Liberty GB radio host is due to appear in court in March f...) These campaigns have focussed on everything from books (Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses), to cartoons (the Danish cartoons), to pages on Facebook and even Twitter posts.

One fundamental aspect of all democracies is free speech. It's crystal clear, then, that very many Muslims - even here in the West - have carried out organised campaigns against the freedom of speech. Now if that's happening in the UK and the West generally, what are the chances that the Muslim world as a whole will embrace the neocon dream of “democracy for all”?

The term “neoconservative” seems to have been invented, in 1973, by a socialist by the name Michael Harrington. In any case, it's certainly become a Leftist soundbite. Leftists use it at the drop of a hat. Or at least they did until they adopted “neo-liberalism” instead a few years ago (i.e., after the fire from the “neocon war in Iraq" had burned out).


This isn't to say that people haven't classed themselves as neoconservatives. They have. I'm also quite prepared to say that the neocons were never a monolithic movement.


In a certain sense, none of that really matters. It's the ideas that matter: not the people and not the classifications.


So why use “neocon” in the title even though certain neocons themselves were saying - as far back as 1996 - that neoconservatism is dead? I use the term simply because very many people do use the term “neocon”. And one place in which there seems to have been some consensus is on the impact neocons had on American foreign policy. So it's that subject alone which I'll deal with in this piece.

Democracy For All?
Jean Kirkpatrick expressed the motivation behind the "neocon project" with this oft-quoted sentence:

No idea holds greater sway in the mind of educated Americans than the belief that it is possible to democratize governments, anytime and anywhere, under any circumstances.”

Authoritarian Regimes

In the early days, certain neo-cons made a distinction between authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. They believed that (some? all?) authoritarian regimes could eventually evolve into democracies; but that totalitarian (or Marxist-Leninist) ones couldn't. It turned out that the Communist regimes did turn into democracies (at least in part); but that many of the authoritarian regimes didn't. Why was that?

Just as some early neocons made a distinction between totalitarian and authoritarian regimes; so distinctions can be made between authoritarian ones. And the one distinction which shall be made here is between the authoritarian regimes of Muslim countries and those of other countries.

I'd say that the chance of authoritarian regimes in Muslim countries evolving into democracies are even slimmer than the chances of certain totalitarian regimes evolving into democracies. In fact some totalitarian regimes (the communist ones and also, possibly, China in the future) did evolve into democracies; but few Muslim regimes have ever really done so.

There were a handful – or less – of Muslim countries which were democratic in the 20th century. For example, Turkey after the First World War and Malaysia today. (Malaysia is a tricky example primarily because Muslims only make up 61% of a population; which includes a very productive and large Chinese - usually Buddhist - contingent.)

You will find that these few Muslim countries were democracies in spite of Islam, certainly not because of it. Indeed these countries became democracies to the extent that they managed to erase Islam from the state and, to varying degrees, from the social sphere as well. The less manifest Islam there was in these countries, the more democratic they became. Similarly, the more they become Islamic (as with Turkey and Syria today), the less they will be democracies.

The simple reason for all this is that Islam, and therefore Muslim societies, cannot accommodate Western-style democracy (if there is another kind). Islam itself is against democracy; as countless contemporary Muslims have stated and Muslims have argued for around 1,400 years. There are indeed handfuls of Westernised, educated and middle-class Muslims in the West who say otherwise. However, they have virtually zero influence in the Muslim world and it's not even clear whether all of them really do believe in democracy anyway. (They certainly don't believe in free speech.)

Jean Kirkpatrick went on to explain why the democratisation or liberalisation of authoritarian, rather than totalitarian, regimes may work. She said:

[Authoritarian regimes] do not disturb the habitual rhythms of work and leisure, habitual places of residence, habitual patterns of family and personal relations.”
This is all about how the state in these countries doesn't really impinge on areas of everyday life. However, what if “the habitual rhythms of work and leisure” and the “habitual patterns of family and personal relations” themselves aren't conducive to democracy or thoughts of freedom and liberty? What if habitual rhythms of work, leisure, family and personal relations are - at least to some extent - Islamic in nature?

In other words, in Islamic societies, it's not all the fault of the state. It's not even all the fault of the dictators either because they too are often tapping into various Islamic traits within Muslim countries.

Totalitarian Regimes
Jean Kirkpatrick also offered us a classical account of totalitarian states. She wrote:

[National Socialist and International Socialist states] claim jurisdiction over the whole life of the society and make demands for change that so violate internalized values and habits that inhabitants flee by the tens of thousands.”

The main argument, from the early neocons, as to why totalitarian regimes couldn't evolve into democracies was that totalitarian regimes have total control of their people and authoritarian regimes don't. In fact some of the neocons were so convinced of their position on the unchangeable nature of totalitarian regimes that Kirkpatrick (again) and Norman Podhoretz, for example, said that Solidarity in Poland was bound to fail.

Yet Islam, to use Kirkpatrick's words, also “claim[s]  jurisdiction over the whole life of the society”. In some – or even many - Islamic or Muslim states there is virtual total Islamic control over the people – from the private to the public sphere.

We can see that the some neocons failed to distinguish between totalitarian and authoritarian states and their societies. Or rather they often made such distinctions in the case of communist states; though they didn't do so when it came to Muslim or Islamic ones. In communist cases, the state was totalitarian' though the peoples, on the whole, weren't. In Muslim states (which are both authoritarian and totalitarian), we also have peoples who follow what amounts to a totalitarian religion – Islam. Muslim states have never really needed to fully impose Islam on their peoples to a large degree; though, of course, leaders like General Zia in Pakistan, for example, certainly attempted to do so (from 1979 onwards).

Not only is Islamic control total in the private sphere, as well as imposed by the state (to varying degrees), Islam is also imposed at the community or village/town level as well. This means that the level of control the state has within Muslim countries is often replicated at the village/town level. Here, instead of state-control, we have the Islamic control of local imams, elders, clerics, Islamic scholars, ulemas, Islamist activists, etc. There is also cooperation between these local areas of Islamic control and the state. But there's also conflict. However, the conflict often arises because the state itself is attempting to liberalise sharia law and, in response, local Muslims – or at least many of them - oppose such attempts.

The neocons also offered an almost Marxist analysis of the Muslim world in which it was claimed that “democracy and responsible governments” could limit the rise of Islamism. The first problem with this idea is the fundamental split that's simply assumed between Islamism and Islam (or between Islamists and most Muslims). The second is the assumption that Muslim peoples, Islamist or non-Islamist, really want Western-style democracy (or even any kind of democracy).

The quasi-Marxist analysis became even more obvious when some neocons argued that the lack of jobs (or “economic opportunities”) also led to the rise of Islamism and/or the lack of democracy. This discounts the economic vibrancy of parts of Malaysia, Indonesia and even Saudi Arabia. In Indonesia and Malaysia Islamism is actually on the rise and Saudi Arabia has combined immense wealth with a severe lack of freedom and democracy. Here again the neocons completely discount Islam as an autonomous factor. In fact, as Marxists put it, they saw Islam as a mere “epiphenomenon of the socioeconomic material conditions which were ....

1) The neocons assumed that Muslims all over the Muslim world were crying out for democracy, free speech and McDonald's. They weren't! They weren't even against authoritarian regimes. Or, rather, they were only against the authoritarian regimes which weren't Islamic enough. In other words, they were against Western-backed authoritarian regimes: not against authoritarian regimes in principle. In fact millions of Muslims are also in favour of totalitarian regimes; as long as those regimes are Islamic and not backed by Western states.

Islamic authoritarianism, good: Western-backed authoritarianism, bad.

2) Interventions should only occur, on the whole, if Muslim states are a direct threat to the UK or US. We should never try to impose democracy (almost a contradiction in terms) or sort out their sad affairs.

If Muslims aren't children, then we shouldn't treat them as children. If the Muslim world wants to grow up – then let it. If it doesn't - then also let it be.

Non-interventionists aren't heartless devils. (I'm not, personally, an absolute non-interventionist - and for obvious reasons.) They are realists. When the West tries to impose democracy, or even when it intervenes for "humanitarian reasons", things usually get worse in those countries. Look at the list: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc.

Those who want to change the world - or at least the Muslim world - aren't saints either. Many of the political leaders who are interventionists are in love with their own power. They therefore they get fixated on their own personal dreams about changing things "for the better". Politicians like to change things and exert their power: even in Muslim countries.

Those interventionists who aren't driven by power, are often driven by their own piety: not by any genuine belief that such interventions will change things for the better. They know, as well as we know, that almost all interventions in the Muslim world bring about even worse situations. Still, the dreams remain because they're not always about making things better in the Muslim world - they are about piety and power. (As with the interfaith business in the West and the Islamophilia of our governments.)

3) Simply because Muslims opposed Saddam Hussein's rule in Iraq, which they did in large numbers, it doesn't mean that they were yearning or demanding democracy. Many Muslims in Iraq simply wanted to substitute one autocrat and his tribe with another autocrat and his tribe.

The other thing is that many Shia Muslims would have used democracy in order to destroy Saddam. Though once in power, as we've seen, it's the same old story.

The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and Hamas in Gaza, also talked about “democracy” and even “free speech”. But once in power, they destroyed it. (The same is true of Leftists and Nazis.) That is, sometimes, as with the Shia in Iraq, democracy is simply a means to an end.

If the Iraqis wanted democracy, then why haven't they got it now? You can't keep on blaming the West, or Shia and Sunni “militants”, or the Media, or poverty, or whatever for the fact that Muslim countries never seem to pull democracy off. The fault is with both the peoples and their beliefs and customs. And the people, beliefs and customs are fundamentally shaped by a tribal Islam.

So I don't “oppose freeing enslaved people".

If people want to be free, given time they will gain it. I mean, for God's sake, Iraq and the rest of the Arab world has been led by despots since World War Two. And before that it was led by more obviously Islamic despots. Can you see a picture arising here?

4) What I don't understand about Western Leftists and Liberals is that they're always castigating people for not accepting 'Difference' and 'the Other' (both domestically and in foreign countries). Yet when we say that Muslims are truly Other, they say the opposite. They say that "Muslims are just like us". That is, they are just like them: white, middle-class professional Leftists and Liberals in US/UK universities, government, etc. I don't think so. If you believe in the Other, then Muslims in Muslim lands are a good candidate for that post-structuralist label.

5) I'm fully aware that many International Socialists, National Socialists and Muslims used the word "neocon" as a synonym for "Jew" (as with "Zionist"). (The Nazis and Leftists simply focussed on those neocons they knew were Jewish and simply ignored the rest - such as those with black skin.) However, I don't use it that way.

For a start, most neocons weren't Jews and many neocons classed themselves as neocons. There was also neocon movement and ideology at one time. Simply because Leftists and Nazis use it as a codeword for 'Jews', that doesn't erase the reality of American neoconservativism.

6) I was going to mention Iran in the piece. What I said about Turkey applies to to Iran pre-1979. That is, Iran, like Turkey, became a democracy to the extent it erased Islam from the state and even from the social sphere. However, from what I know about Iran, it wasn't exactly a democracy in the American sense. As far as I know, the American state, whether Republican or Democrat, doesn't torture thousands of dissidents per year. But having said that, it's a sad state of affairs to say that pre-1979 Iran was still much superior to post-1979 Iran and it was also superior to all the contemporary Arab regimes of the time. That is, it was bad in certain respects; though not as bad as the Arab regimes which surrounded it.

7) It's correct to say that the Turkish interest in Western democracy, amongst many other Western things, started in the 19th century. However, a fully democratic regime didn't occur until after World War One. Having said that, I'm not altogether sure if at that early point it was entirely democratic. (I can't say myself.) It was also the case that the Ottomans looked Westwards even before the 20th/19th century (e.g., Western weaponry and the organisation of the army).

Whatever the case may be, Turkey became democratic to the extent it erased Islam from the sphere of the state and even from the social sphere.


  1. So there was no major right-wing support for invasions(did you look at any polls from 2001?). There are no right-wing lobbies(lets not call them neo-conservative or neo-liberal, for the sake of the debate) in the west at all? Do you consciously chose to omit the idea of military-industrial complex? A billion (if not trillion) dollar industry that has benefited a load of US war debt. Or all those fallacious terms and narratives conjured by mentally deranged western self-hating leftists, who hate the western right-wing?

    It's a fact that the intervention was driven by profit-motives. Whether you want to acknowledge this or not. It's one of the oldest driving factors for war, since the dismantlement of the feudal system and introduction of privatization of economy. Even 19th century Victorian economists like Hobson were clear on this point. And their analysis was meticulous and thorough, unlike yours who puts down grand military projects and world-wide political events to mere ideological convictions and simple power expressions. They examined both ideological, geographic and economic motives for warfare in post-industrial Britain. To assert that right-wing interventionists (george bush Jr and adminstration) were driven by some sort of ideological piety(good-will) or some power-greed, is irrational. You don't spend trillions of dollars, because you simply want to spread your values, and expect no returns. That's like spending billions of dollars on poker, because you simply want to look good. That is a rare motive.

    The fact that some neo-cons, ontook the idea that islamist movements were based on socio-economic failures of middle-eastern states, did not mean all neo-cons ontook that same idea. Bernard lewis esteemed islam-historian who is a favorite of right-wing western political ideas, was amongst the earliest proponents who furthered the idea that Islamic was were only capable of being governed by iron-handed dictators or islamic. This was far before, the war hysteria and the lense was put on the muslim faith and the islamic world as a whole in the begining of the millenium. And any form of secular democracy was asserted of being incapable of happening according to lewis.

  2. Iraq is faltering, not because of some obscure inherent Islamic beliefs or differences( I can't believe someone would be so intellectually lazy and vapid). But it's typical of western right-wingers to be comfortable in being ignorant and lazy regarding of west-Asian history and generally ignorant of the history of the enemy of day. The Iraqi post-war state is faltering because the ottoman hegemony had institutionalized discrimination and dispossession of the Shiah majority of the country, due to it's history of rivalry and warfare with the Safavid empire(A neighboring empire whose dynastic patrons had converted to shiism early on). This lead bitter resentment of against Sunnis. The British continued this line of hegemony favoring Sunnis, after the ottoman empire surrendered their domains in the peace negotiations 1918. This lead to the king of iraq, which was not more than a mere protectorate of the British empire. Until around 14th july revolution lead by the free officers, headed by the general Abdel Karim qassim. This was the first form of democracy and modern state form of Iraq. Abdel karim qassim was neither Islamist, communist or a secular tyrant(the sort that caters to western governments ). He was a nationalist, who tried ontook projects to improve the country, and managed to implement numerous modernizing reforms that benefited women, workers, farmers and the state of education. This Despite the political turbulence in the country and power-struggle between Arab-nationalists and communist Iraqi movement. As he was a moving for nationalization of british and US owned oil resources, aswell as the removal of agreements with "free world" countries like britain, and relaxation of anti-soviet . He was subsequently removed by the ramadan revolution in 1963, (who executed him and his peers) by the anti-communist arab-nationalists party the baath. This was a supported by the west as it guaranteed good-relationships with iraq( and the non-acquistion of the state by a soviet friendly goverment) and safety of oil supplies. Saddam who was a hardline anti-communist sunni baath member eventually rose to take over the government and the rest is history. Mossadegh in irans 50s is another similar case. With operation Ajax and the reinstating of the pro-western Iranian dynasty. None of this is historical fabrication. Anyone who has read modern history of iraq and iran would know these facts.

    But according to the western right-wing political narratives such as yourself, it was a either a choice between Islamic theocracy or nepotist "secular dictatorships", and nothing more complex or nuanced. According to you Islam has always been the simple reason, the "Islamic world" cannot adopt western style democracy(what does that even mean?). Such simplistic notions, I wonder why all these vapid analyses basically use no serious research and use no historical fact of any sort, or any sort of data at all. But rather go based on simplistic premises, which premises are unsupported by anything. Other than ad nauseum repeated MEMEs about qu'ran and hadiths. Even then we never really get to core of the matter. We are never rigorously or thoroughly(which is demanded by any serious academic standard) ran through the supporting evidence for the claims and propositions.

    All this tells me is that you're either sorely uneducated, too intellectually lazy or basically omit facts for convinence sake. Perhaps it makes sense for you and your audience to be ignorant about political history of the world.

  3. "Iraq is faltering, not because of some obscure inherent Islamic beliefs or differences( I can't believe someone would be so intellectually lazy and vapid)."

    I don't by your Marxist analysis for one moment. How on earth could you possibly talk about "obscure inherent Islamic beliefs"? Is Islam a mere epiphenomenon, then? After 1,300 years, Islam is still an epiphenomenon in that part of the world? When did Marx first say that - 150 years ago? And don't dress up the fact you have deep ideological differences with me with journalese such as my being "intellectually lazy". Disagreement is not laziness, mate.

    "But it's typical of western right-wingers...."

    So I was right about your Marxism? Perhaps not.

    ".... to be comfortable in being ignorant and lazy regarding of west-Asian history and generally ignorant of the history of the enemy of day."

    Stop your LSE first-year student rhetoric and get on with it.

    "The Iraqi post-war state is faltering because the ottoman hegemony had institutionalized discrimination and dispossession of the Shiah majority of the country, due to it's history of rivalry and warfare with the Safavid empire(A neighboring empire whose dynastic patrons had converted to shiism early on)."

    Do you also mean the Ottoman/Sunni-Shia rivalry? But, I forgot, Islam is a mere epiphenomenon. Why is my focusing on Islam any worse than your (Marxist) complete ignoring of it?

    Another way your analysis is utterly Marxist is your denial of free will to all the Muslim players (or at least those you favour): they are killing each other in massive numbers today because of, it seems, the Ottoman Empire, the Brits, the price of bread, the "hegemony", the "neo-con invasion", etc. Not because they believe that violence is Islamically-sanctioned and they don't think it's a bad option.

    Listen, your analysis is not sophisticated because you've done a little research on what may be irrelevant bits of history and because, in the Marxist manner, you discount Islam, free will and throw in a bit of patronising Guardianese.

    It is cliched and simply shows that whereas you probably think I read the Daily Mail too much, I simply believe you read Chomsky and the Guardian too much - what's the difference?

    Stop being so racist. Stop treating Muslims as children who are the play-things of superior beings and "economic forces": the Ottoman Empire (which died near a century ago), the "neo-cons" - basically, anyone but themselves.

  4. "... and nothing more complex or nuanced. According to you Islam has always been the simple reason, the "Islamic world" cannot adopt western style democracy(what does that even mean?)."

    Despite your deeply and profoundly complex and nuanced analysis, or your overall snootiness, you don't quote or analyse a single passage of my original post. Instead you have treated me as a straw target with your repeated references to my being "right-wing".

    I focus on Islam and you completely ignore it - so perhaps we are both as bad as each other.

  5. Anonymous,

    Basically, you are accusing me of not being a scholar of Iraqi history. You don't need to accuse me of that. I will freely admit to it: I'm not a scholar of the history of Iraq.

    Then again, Anonymous, I don't think you are either. You might have cut-and-pasted all that stuff from Chomsky for all I know.

    But what's more important is all that exquisite historical detail has not direct relevance to my original post. What you've attempted to do is flood me with historical facts knowing that I'm not a student of Iraq's history. Nonetheless, even your historical detail is suffused with Marxist cliches and, as I said, it completely ignores Islam (religion) as an independent force. And that, mate, was part of the point of the article. And that is why you didn't quote a single passage from it.

    Find another straw target, mate, and read some more of Edward Said/Chomsky/etc. histories of the Middle East.