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Tuesday, 26 March 2013

One Jew doubts some Holocaust survivors...

.... therefore the Holocaust didn't happen.

“…. most of the memoirs and reports [of 'Holocaust survivors'] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks…”

–Samuel Gringauz, “Jewish Social Studies” (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65

Jim Rizoli commented - or rather he didn’t! - on one of my blog posts. All he included was the quote above – nothing else. [See Joe Rizoli's comment after my post:

I didn't really know what to say to that very poetic passage above.

I did come to see that it's a very popular quote. It’s used very many times by Holocaust-deniers. It must be a godsend to such people. It’s used in just the same way the very popular fake or real quotes are used against Israel. For example, take that often-quoted passage from David Ben-Gurion which has him saying that he believed in the expelling of Arabs from Palestine by “brutal compulsion”; whereas those two words occur at the end of a passage which states that such a thing is not “part of our [Israel’s] programme”.

When I checked this quote on the Internet there were many links to Holocaust-denying websites and to various Jew-haters of all kinds. In fact there wasn’t much on Samuel Gringauz himself on the Internet; just many citations of this passage. I also noticed that Joe Rizoli uses this quote again and again on his YouTube videos as well as in response to other YouTube videos. He seems to be a one-tune singer.

OK. The passage was written by a Jew. So what’s the argument here? It must be this:

If a Jew said this; then it must be true.
Or even worse:

If a Jew said all this, then the Holocaust couldn’t have happened.

This is exactly the same as this argument:

If Chomsky, a Jew, is against Israel's existence, then Israel should not exist and should be annihilated.

Or maybe like this:

If religious Jews appear on British anti-Israel and anti-Zionist demos, then Israel does not have a right to exist. It must be destroyed.

(These Neturei Karta Jews, just referenced, are frequently wheeled out for UK anti-Israel demos by Leftists and their Muslim friends. There are about six, maybe up to ten, of these Jews who go on these demos. They are hated by most Israelis; from every branch of the political spectrum.)

n any case, it’s all bad reasoning anyway.

In addition, even if we accept that quote above, it’s not actually a denial of the Holocaust. He's just making the everyday observation that some people, in some circumstances, exaggerate or embellish things – that’s human nature.

But if Joe Rizoli, and the rest, doesn’t accept what Jews say about the Holocaust (except if it’s Jewish Holocaust-denial), then what about the British and Americans soldiers who liberated the Jews at the end of WW2? What about the non-Jewish journalists, investigators, observers, scientists, historians, etc. who visited the concentration camps and carried out interviews?

More relevantly, what about the German soldiers and camp guards who admitted everything to many sources?

As I hinted, it’s strange that these Jew-haters suddenly accept what Jews say when what they say is against Israel or against the Jews. They hate the Jews but then they suddenly love them and believe every word they say. (E.g., Chomsky, Ille Pappe, or, in this instance, Samuel Gringauz. )That’s not a very consistent racism, is it? It must show the racist that their racism is flawed after all because they are allowing certain exceptions to the general law of Jewish depravity, lies and evil.

The thing is, if someone hates the Jeeeeeeews anyway (or beforehand), then nothing's going to change their mind. Such Jew-hatred is mainly pathological; not rational and certainly not based on fact or debate.

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