PAUL AUSTIN MURPHY ON POLITICS

PAUL AUSTIN MURPHY ON POLITICS


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Sunday, 6 March 2011

EDL - Rochdale - Secretly filmed footage from inside the UAF/MDL Counter-Demo (05-03-2011)

... And the Lesson of Iran, 1979

What exactly do the Leftists in the SWP/UAF think when they hear Muslims frequently chant the Islamic war cry, 'Allahu akbar!'? This is not a phrase from Trotsky or Marx. It is not a chant of the Brown Exotic Oppressed against the West or Zionism. It is a cry of Islamic expansionism or imperialism. It is a war cry. An act of aggression in itself! Just as the Islamic black flag is a battle flag. Not a defensive flag or a flag for the comrades.

Do these self-deluded Leftists really believe that they will bring these brainwashed Muslims around to Marxism or even socialism? Not a chance in hell! Marxism and socialism are 'man-created' ideologies, a far cry from Islam and Islamism (even though Islamists have indeed nicked loads of terms and even ideas from the Left - especially from the far left). Didn't the Left learn the lesson of Iran in 1979?

Sure, in 1979 socialists and Islamists initially worked together to get rid of the Shah. More correctly, the Islamists used the socialists, and the socialists attempted to use the Islamists, to get rid of the old regime. However, when things started to go well, and the success of the revolution beckoned, the Islamists started to fuck the Leftists up the arse. Within no time at all, the Islamists took charge of the revolution and immediately started to put the Leftists up against the wall. The Islamists and Islamopsychos had won. The Left was utterly defeated and destroyed.

And then what? The Islamists created a regime that was in many ways far more oppressive and nasty than the previous one. Will this also happen in Egypt, Libya, etc? Who knows?


10 comments:

  1. You need help mate. This article is a lie. Are you deliberately lying to cause troubl nd hatred towards Islam? Or do you actually believe what you have written?

    What makes you think Allah Akbar is a war cry? It means God is Great. I think any religious person would agree that God is Great, whatever religion they follow therefore I suggest you stop misleading people by making them believe your lies. You are the cause of trouble in this country and cause a major divide between communities. It is clear that you are just preudice against Islam so I am interested to know why this is. I am Muslim and do not feel any prejudice against any other religion or race. There are plenty of similarities between Islam and otherr religions like Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism but you and others like you do not look at the similarities, rather you focus on the differences so that you can cause trouble in this country.

    You really need some help mate. See a professional and address these personal issues that you have otherwise you will end up creating a society that is divided with communities fesrful of each other.

    If you really think negatively then you must substantiate your claims ie provide evidence for your claims, don't just make assumptions, guess or lie about Islam because then we will have a lot of trouble here as any muslim person will feel as though they are being persecuted by people like you.

    PS A sensible person would draw conclusions based upon logic and evidence and not just what some people have said without any proof. God gave you a brain and a heart so use them. If you want to ask me anything about Islam then feel free.


    Regards,
    Waheed.

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    1. “You need help mate. This article is a lie.”

      How on earth can an entire article be a lie?

      “Are you deliberately lying to cause troubl nd hatred towards Islam? Or do you actually believe what you have written?”

      Yes and yes.

      “What makes you think Allah Akbar is a war cry? It means God is Great.”

      I know what it means and it is invariably the cry thousands, if not millions, of Muslims have made when they have slaughtered people. This gives me a good reason to believe that it goes along with death and murder.

      You keep on using the word ‘lie’ when all you really mean is that I disagree with YOU, as do millions upon millions of other KUFFAR.

      “You are the cause of trouble in this country and cause a major divide between communities. It is clear that you are just preudice against Islam so I am interested to know why this is.”

      Are you as concerned with the ‘divides’ in Muslim countries? Are you concerned with the massive and systematic persecution and killing of thousands of non-Muslims in Pakistan, Somalia, the Sudan, Egypt and virtually every other Muslim country? Are you concerned about all that too? Or are you using the language of the West, ‘divide between communities’, as a deceitful attempt simply to advance Islam and your own people. You use the language of your Western defenders simply for your own ends. Muslims don’t use such language in Muslim countries and they won’t use that language in the UK if they became the majority.

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    2. "PS A sensible person would draw conclusions based upon logic and evidence and not just what some people have said without any proof. God gave you a brain and a heart so use them. If you want to ask me anything about Islam then feel free."

      I love your use of the words 'logic', 'proof', and 'evidence' - all terms which have virtually no purchase in Islam except within an Islamic context. That is, when you say 'logic', you mean 'Islamic logic' or reasoning that fits into Islam. By 'proof' you mean 'Islamic proof'. By 'evidence' you mean 'Islamic evidence'.

      The word 'proof' is frequently misused by Muslim. There is no proof outside logic and mathematics. Not even in science. All it means to Muslims is one bit of Islam proves another bit - meaning, it backs-up that bit. That is, some proof that the Koran says X. Logic is UTTERLY different in the West, and it is strange how you seem not to be aware of that.

      Basically, our languages are diametrically opposed and they are so because you are a Muslim. You use all these pseudo-philosophical and even quasi-scientific terms in an utterly Islamic way. This means that we will ultimately talk passed each other. In a sense, you must know and agree with that statement.

      Every Muslim I have debated with, from a person who can hardly string a sentence together to educated ones, always use these terms - 'logic', 'truth' 'proof' and so on. It all sounds so impressive until you realise that all these words mean something else in Islam and when uttered by a Muslim attempting to defend Islam.

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    3. "PS A sensible person would draw conclusions based upon logic and evidence and not just what some people have said without any proof. God gave you a brain and a heart so use them. If you want to ask me anything about Islam then feel free."

      I love your use of the words 'logic', 'proof', and 'evidence' - all terms which have virtually no purchase in Islam except within an Islamic context. That is, when you say 'logic', you mean 'Islamic logic' or reasoning that fits into Islam. By 'proof' you mean 'Islamic proof'. By 'evidence' you mean 'Islamic evidence'.

      The word 'proof' is frequently misused by Muslim. There is no proof outside logic and mathematics. Not even in science. All it means to Muslims is one bit of Islam proves another bit - meaning, it backs-up that bit. That is, some proof that the Koran says X. Logic is UTTERLY different in the West, and it is strange how you seem not to be aware of that.

      Basically, our languages are diametrically opposed and they are so because you are a Muslim. You use all these pseudo-philosophical and even quasi-scientific terms in an utterly Islamic way. This means that we will ultimately talk passed each other. In a sense, you must know and agree with that statement.

      Every Muslim I have debated with, from a person who can hardly string a sentence together to educated ones, always use these terms - 'logic', 'truth' 'proof' and so on. It all sounds so impressive until you realise that all these words mean something else in Islam and when uttered by a Muslim attempting to defend Islam.

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  2. Why was my last comment deleted?

    Not afraid of the truth are we?

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  3. I love your use of the words 'logic', 'proof', and 'evidence' - all terms which have virtually no purchase in Islam except within an Islamic context. That is, when you say 'logic', you mean 'Islamic logic' or reasoning that fits into Islam. By 'proof' you mean 'Islamic proof'. By 'evidence' you mean 'Islamic evidence'.

    Logic is logic, it does not have a religion. The same goes for proof and evidence.
    I’ll give you an example of what I mean by logic:

    People around the world used to think that the world was flat, even in the bible there is a reference of the world having 4 corners, suggesting that the earth is flat. (Relevations 7:1 and Isaiah 11:12 ).
    The Quran was revealed in the 609-632 CE, in which it states “ And the earth, moreover,hath He made egg shaped.” [Al-Qur’an 79:30]


    The word 'proof' is frequently misused by Muslim. There is no proof outside logic and mathematics. Not even in science. All it means to Muslims is one bit of Islam proves another bit - meaning, it backs-up that bit. That is, some proof that the Koran says X. Logic is UTTERLY different in the West, and it is strange how you seem not to be aware of that.

    Other evidence that Islam is the religion is that in the Quran and in the Bible it states that during the time of the pharaoh – king, people would worship not God. The pharaoh was told from his disciples who performed black magic, that there would be a male born that would be a messenger of God who would spread the word of God. That messenger was Moses (AH). So the pharaoh decided to kill all the male babies that were born, after hearing this message. When Moses was born, soon after he was put in a basket and this basket was left to float in the water (river/sea) as his mother did not want him to be killed by the pharaoh. The pharaoh’s wife came across the baby and took him in. The pharaoh, upon his wife’s say so took the baby in. This baby was Moses (AH). It was Moses(AH) that informed the people that they were to worship God alone and none other. The pharaoh did not, instead he waged war against him and when Moses(AH) and those that followed the Word of God went to flee the area, as the Pharaoh attempted to kill them, they came across a river/sea and were stuck as they could not cross the sea. God split the sea so that they could cross. The Pharaoh and his army followed them but as they proceeded, the waters came together again and drowned the Pharaoh and his army. Just before he drowned, the pharaoh did say he accepted God but it was TOO LATE.
    In the Quran it also says: God said that the pharaoh’s body would remain for all time so as to be a sign to the people.

    The evidence:
    The pharaoh’s body is still available- undecomposed and can be seen. It was discovered around 100 years ago in the sea that was named in the Quran and was scientifically proven to be that of the Pharaoh. Hence this proves that the Quran is the word of God as the Quran came to be around 1400 years ago and how could a person have known that the pharaohs body would never decompose. Only God could have known this and it supports the statement that God said that he would leave the pharaohs body to remain as a sign for mankind. You can check out some youtube videos or the internet for further details about this piece of evidence. The body is in a museum in Egypt now. Hence the Quran is the word of God and you should think long and hard before degrading Islam.
    Here is a link to find out for yourself:
    http://www.slideshare.net/BintAmeer/pptfiron

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    1. You prove my point yet again.

      I said that 'evidence', when used by most Muslims, is when one bit of Islamic theology, or a text, provides evidence for another bit. The same with proof. And then you go ahead and do exactly what I say by referring to the Koran.

      We speak different languages. That's why Muslims have been at war with the West for so long. Judging by your use of language, your Islamic world-view, and your abuse, that's not going to change any time soon.

      There is no 'Islamic science', although there has been science as practiced by a few (comparatively speaking)Muslims. As soon as you refer to the Koran, everything you say is non-scientific and even anti-scientific. The fact that you refer to it as 'science' means nothing to me, just as with Islamic 'truth', Islamic 'proof', Islamic 'justice', Islamic 'rights', etc. All these things mean something different to their common meanings in the West. (Although in the West there is disagreement rather than the massive homogeneity in the Muslim world - on Islam and so much else.)

      So you keep on preaching Islam and I will keep on criticising its bullshit. The war will continue.

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    2. ON THE EGG-SHAPED WORLD

      "Almost any Western educated Muslim you come across will firmly believe that the Qur'an unequivocally states that the Earth is shaped like an egg (to be precise, like an ostrich egg). They will evince some embarrassment that their less educated Muslim brothers believe the Revelation states the Qur'an is flat. But it is those "less educated" Muslims who are in fact nearer the truth.

      "The verse that many believe refers to an egg is surah 79, verse 30. Let's look at some translations:

      YUSUFALI: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);
      PICKTHAL: And after that He spread the earth,
      SHAKIR: And the earth, He expanded it after that.

      This is the arabic:

      { وَٱلأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا }
      Transliteration: Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

      dahaha means to flatten out - it is NOT a word that can be interpreted as anything to do with an egg.

      And this is the official translation of that same verse from the Ministry of Religious Affairs from the Kingdom of Jordan.

      "and after that He spread out the earth: He made it flat, for it had been created before the heaven, but without having been spread out."

      Nowhere, you will notice, is there any mention of egg-shaped or ostrich...If the author of the Qur'an had wanted to make plain to mankind that He knew his creation was round, you'd have thought he'd have said...wouldn't you?

      Perhaps we best leave the last word to Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia who in 1993 said:

      "The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment."

      From:

      http://rationalislam.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/earth-is-shaped-like-ostrich-egg.html

      Waheed, and if you think I'm going to get into a debate between various Islamic theologians' versions of the shape of the earth, you must be joking! It's all bullshit. So one bullshit claim can't be compared to another bullshit claim - unless it's more obviously bullshit than the other. To debate WITHIN Islamic theology is a tacit acceptance of Islam. Thus I don't care one ounce of shit what Islamic theologians or 'scholars' say on this matter - it's all still WITHIN Islam.

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  4. I said that 'evidence', when used by most Muslims, is when one bit of Islamic theology, or a text, provides evidence for another bit. The same with proof. And then you go ahead and do exactly what I say by referring to the Koran.

    No! I have used science as you know it to prove the Quran is truth. Re-read my comments.

    What will you gain by calling Islam Bullshit?
    Although you can talk with some sophistication, you are unable to hide your racist views. Please note that muslims are not going around burning Churches or insulting Christianity but EDL are burning mosques and insulting Islam, so who is really the one in the wrong.

    Are you sure that the abuse is coming from Islam and not from small minded people like yourself. How can you live with yourself, knowing you and others like you are on the war path to cause chaos in the UK.

    Do you really think that you could defeat Islam. It is the fastest growing religion. Even some EDL members have converted to Islam.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. You just use a certain degree of sophistication i the way you present your information but it is entirely baseless.

    Your article is full of lies and yes an entire article can be a lie.

    I would also like to point out that Hitler who killed 6million Jews was a Christian as were his followers. So does this mean we should hate Christianity and anyone who follows it? Ofcourse not. A small minority of people can not represent an entire religion.

    Can you begin to see that you need to open your mind and seek the truth. By truth I mean that what is genuine, not false or corrupted.

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    1. "Please note that muslims are not going around burning Churches or insulting Christianity but EDL are burning mosques and insulting Islam, so who is really the one in the wrong."

      What an incredible lie! But, of course, Muslims are allowed to lie for Islam. It's the only religion I know in which lying is praised and encouraged - both in the Koran and by Muhammad. To say that Muslims aren't burning churches, when in contemporary Pakistan alone this has happened very many times, shows that you are not even concerned with what's actually happening - you are concerned with furthering Islam and Islamic 'truth'.

      You talk about Islam being the fastest growing religion. If a religion has death for apostasy, forced conversion, and sharia blasphemy law that prohibits all criticism of ANY aspect of Islam, and that Islam has been cocooned from criticism for 1,400 years (that's why you hate this blog!), then that's not that surprising. Tell me, do you know the figures for people LEAVING Islam? There are many who do so but they can't broadcast it for fear of being killed by pious Muslims like yourself.

      Please stop using the word 'truth'. All religious zealots and fundamentalists use that word and do so very easily and often. All it means is WHAT CONCURS WITH THEIR CHOSEN RELIGION. You are not using the word in a philosophical or non-religious sense. What is 'true' is what Islam SAYS IS TRUE. That's all you mean by 'truth'.

      Why are conversing with me at all? Are you doing DAWAH? That is, no matter how much of an 'evil KUFFAR' you think I am, or this blog is, you will still DO THE DAWAH because in Islam that means that it will pay dividends in Islamic Paradise? You may have some extra virgins or 'houris' to have sex with or something. And because you can't kill or silence me (which is what Muslims usually do in the Muslim world and here too), you do the DAWAH instead.

      This debate is pointless. It's like having a conversation with a rock. Do your dawah elsewhere and don't bother me with it. I'm not going to let you use my space for dawah so that you can have extra virgins in 'Paradise'.

      If you post any more, I will delete them - just as ALL my comments on ALL Muslim and Islamic websites have been deleted. In fact, I have given you more time than any Muslim/Islamic website or blog has ever given me. As I said, Islam usually relies or the killing or the legal silencing of all its critics. No wonder it has survived so long.

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