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Monday, 20 December 2010

Why the EDL Supports Israel, Israelis and the Jews

The EDL has no special love for Israel. No more than it has for the southern Sudanese or Pakistani Christians. However, we do have a special interest in the monomania far leftists, far rightists and Muslims have with Jews and Israel, which we take to be psychologically disturbing.

The fact that many EDL members support Israel may be because this country is surrounded by genocidal Islamists and Muslims intent on exterminating it in the most perfect act of jihad which could possibly happen.

See any connections or relevance here - sceptics in the EDL? This will be the case for England if we don’t stop listening to the leftist and anti-Zionist propaganda which many seemed to have swallowed in full. Don’t the sceptics at least think that the EDL can learn many lessons from the Israel-Palestine situation?

The EDL has no particular interest in going over the history of 1947 And All That. It's boring.

Many Jews say the best way you can spot an anti-Semite is that they know more about Israel/Palestine history and Jewish theology than most Jews.

The fact remains. Even if the anti-Zionists are correct about ‘the ancestral home’ of the Palestinians, there are still six million Jews in Israel today! What would anti-Zionists do about them?

Hamas does not accept a two-state solution. As for a single ‘bi-national’ solution plus ‘the right of return’, that would result in the end of the Jewish people and their homeland. So, again, what would anti-Zionists do about the Jews and Israelis, six million of them, who are in Israel now – not in 1947 or 1847?

Things would indeed have been terrible if the anti-Zionist version of history were correct.

Palestine was not their ‘ancestral home’ at all. Firstly, as everyone knows, there was no such nation as Palestine in 1947 and before. Secondly, the vast majority of Palestinians in that area were nomadic in nature. (And no; I am not saying it was an ‘empty desert’ either!) This means that very many of the Palestinians who were there, when the most recent Jews started arriving from Europe, Russia and Arab countries, had only been there for a very short time, as little as two years in some cases.

As for the ‘intolerant ethnic and religious extremists’. Most Jews there at that time, 1947, were not particularly religious. Many were atheists. Not only that, most Palestinians left the area at the behest of Arab leaders at the time. They did so because they then could then invade Israel. They believed that they would win the war and thus the Palestinians could return to their homes. This did not happen.

Anti-Zionist EDL say that they are not Leftist. So why are using their lexicon, and even their phrases, such as ‘intolerant ethnic and religious extremists’ and ‘Zionists’ when you mean ‘Jews’ or even ‘Israelis’?

What do the EDL sceptics mean by the phrase, ‘the Zionists make us all look ignorant’? Does that means that EDL has a ‘false consciousness’ or that a Zionist cabal has infiltrated the EDL? Even right-wing anti-Zionists use Leftist and Hamas vocabulary and theories about the Israelis and the Jews. (The far-right often quotes from the Guardian's many 'anti-Zionist' articles, etc. Not only that. The far right and far left have worked together in Palestine as part of 'pro-Palestinian' support groups.)

Why should being a member of the EDL automatically make us ‘Little Englanders’? Part of the English character is that we do care about ‘foreign jonnies’. Think of Live Aid and other such things. That’s why we don’t want the extermination of the Israelis by Hezbollah and Hamas. That’s why we refer to the Sudan and Darfur. Does that make us ‘secret friends’ of Sudanese Christians and animists? Does that make us pro-Darfurists (like a ‘Zionist supporter’) or whatever? Why should English people not care for the Jews and Israelis? It doesn’t make us any less patriotic. Are sceptical EDL mistaking the EDL for the National Front or something?

The same goes for other national flags at EDL demos. Again, we are not National Front or Little Englanders. Israeli flags, why not? Pakistani Christian banners, why not? Iranian liberation flags, why not? Why not Swedish flags in solidarity with the Swedish and the hell of a Muslim mess they have there due to extreme multi-culturalism and political correctness?

Just as you say that the Israeli flags keep people away, so will the idea that we are really a narrow-minded National Front-type party. England has always embraced other countries. During the 18th century, Europe was a really open place and none of this had anything to do with European centralisation or places like Brussels which ruled like huge bureaucracies.


  1. Got it in one, I'm not saying people have to like Israel or what they do, the closest analogy for those in the EDL who dislike Israel has to be in WW2 we had some dubious allies as well (Soviet Union) Supporting those who fight radical Islam is necessary, even if some (not me) find those allies distasteful.

  2. There's nothing like 10 million Jews in Israel except when it seem they're all on the road in front of me at the same time.

    It's more like 5.5 mil out of a population of 6.5 mil (I think without looking it up).

    Other than that, spot on!

  3. The amount of evidence that Zionists are behind the mass influx of foreigners into not only Great Britain but the rest of Europe is substantial enough to make your support of Zionists somewhat illogical. It was because of the victory of the Zionists in WWII, and the type of political and social structure that Europe, under the auspices of the Jews, was reshaped into after WWII, that resulted in the secular/liberal immigration policies of post war Europe that are the cause of the current immigration dilemma. The Muslims of course were quick to take advantage of this. Nothing in fact, would benefit Israel more than to continue having Muslim, en mass, leave the middle east for Europe since this would further reduce the Muslim population in the middle east and among Israel's enemies. Having said all that I'm aware of the quandary that those on the far right have always had. If your anti-Muslim then logically you would have to be (at least somewhat) pro-Zionist but then if your pro-Zionist you are pretty much aquiesing to the Zionist multi-cultural agenda.

  4. Brian of London.
    Where did you see him mention 10 million Jews?

    This is what he said.

    "So, again, what would anti-Zionists do about the Jews and Israelis, six million of them, who are in Israel now – not in 1947 or 1847?"

    So spot on - full stop.

  5. Hahaha. This article is hilarious. Edl supporters are clearly amongst the most confused and uneducated people in our society. Luckily there are not too many of them and they lack in intelligence to really influence the masses.

    1. Adam,

      Is your entire position on the EDL based on good old-fashioned middle-class snobbery? Where are the arguments? What is "hilarious"?

      So you are morally, politically and intellectually superior to the EDL.... and?

      "Edl supporters are clearly amongst the most confused and uneducated people in our society."

      That's what I call bigotry and a gross stereotype. I thought bigotry and stereotypes were frowned upon by the Left. It seems not. If the bigotry and stereotypes are aimed at politically-correct targets, everything's OK.

      "Luckily there are not too many of them and they lack in intelligence to really influence the masses."

      The Left can't think that otherwise why the umpteen articles on the EDL in the Guardian elsewhere? Why the dozens of counter-demos? Why the calls for bans? Why your post?

      Do you mean that "influence on the masses" which Trots and Communists have been trying to have for over 150 years and systematically failed? Is that why Trots and Communists are now patronising Muslims instead?

      I don't know if you are a Leftist or middle-class. However, 99 out of 100 "anti-fash" types are either middle-class or students (or both). So you may be the exception. However, your snobbery and class-hatred towards the entire non-Leftist working class (though you'll just pretend it's just against the "far right") shows me that I'm probably right on this again.